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embassy in benghazi. not clear exactly how the ambassador died, although officials believe it is likely his killers were an organized group who planned the attack. protesters are out again in egy egypt. the president chose his words carefully. >> would you consider the current egyptian regime an ally of the united states? >> i don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy. they are a new government that is trying to find its way. they were democratically elected. i think that we will have to see how they respond to this incident, how they respond to, for example, maintaining the peace treaty with israel. >> i want to bring in nick kristof and look at the cover this week. the agents of outrage. we'll talk about that, as well. couldn't be happier to have the
two of you and your expertise in this area. i want to start with what happened in libya and give us your perspective. these assailants were heavily armed. it they seemed to be organized. does it seem to you perhaps to have been timed for 9/11, was it an attack of opportunity? >> i really don't know. but it is unusual in that libya is really the most pro american country in the region. the ambassador was be loved in libya. he had helped save benghazi, the city in which he was murdered. and libya as responded pretty appropriately. the government immediately condemned the attack, you have ordinary libyans apologizing for it. the real failure here has been in egypt where president morsi has been awol. >> what do you make of the president's comments, well, you know, friend or foe, well, neither really. >> i think that what you're seeing is what we knew was going to happen after the arab spring.
there was going to be a period where you would have all these new governments with weak mandates, with ever shifting loyalties, with poor security forces and that there would be a period of chaos. we can't know how it would shake out, but we're seeing it now and i think it's difficult to make judgments at this point about what the egyptian government will do, how it will respond. and we need to remain watchful. >> let me read to your point from bobby ghosh. the arab spring replaced the harsh order of hated dictators with a flowering of neophyte democracies. but these governments with weak mandates ever shifting loyalties and poor security forces have matt region a more chaotic and unstable lays, a place more susceptible to rogue fomenting violent upheavals usually in the name of faith. are we overstating to say this could be a chipping point. >> >> i don't think so. i think we're seeing an entirely new kind of crisis and i think bobby's excellent cover story
gets at the fact that this was fanned by an industry of outrage of which there are proponents in the arab world, but also the u.s. this film was released earlier in the year, didn't get much attention. same again in july when it went on youtube. but then what happened was that there was an egyptian islam ofhobe whose message wassic ipi up and the message spread that way and i think there's this inter-play that's important to watch. >> it is interesting, though, and partly to what you said, nick, which is that this is a country that elected a moderate government. not a radical government. it's a country that had great respect, the rebels had great respect for the ambassador. and you have this situation where it all exploded in spite of the fact that you can go on the internet any day of the week and find some sort of anti-muslim, anti-islamic rantings, videos, whatever. why this, why now?
>> well, i think that we, the u.s., don't always appreciate just how sensitive this kind of issue is. islam is different from christianity or judaism in that islam originated in societies where muslims were dominant. they don't have a take tigs of being a minority in a country in the way christians and jews have. and so there is an assumption, for example, when you talk to libyans or egyptians that in the u.s., well, of course, this kind of december krascicration would. but nobody is doing more harm to islam than the kind of extremists that are attacking it. i don't think it's fair to hold the actions of a few hundred in cairo has representing the entire country. it is fair to hold morsi's waffling as representative of that country. >> i want to bring in p.j. crowley. it's always great to have you,
as well. how concerned are you for the security in that region? how volatile do you think it is right now? >> obviously we've seen the spread of the protests over the video to yemen, so we're right in the middle of this challenge. if we're going to see it extend probably to other parts of the region before it finally dies down. >> nick kristof made the point the government in libya seems to be responding well, but what does the u.s. action need to be in terms of the entire region? >> i actually think you put that in the right order, you know, what's critical here is less the response of the united states and more the response of these leaders. how do they respond to this latest episode, but more importantly, are they going to build societies that are more tolerant, more inclusive. you know, we've seen the understandable reaction from
this relatively obscure video. we've gone through these cycles before. but the answer within the islamic world can't always be, you know, violent protests. because as these countries become more connected to the modern secular world through social media, the internet, they're going to see things they don't lying. and they've got to find a way to respond to these constructively within their own religion and culture but not through violence. i think the president and secretary were right to make that point crucially yesterday. >> and one of the things the president did say is that justice will be done and he was asked on telemundo what exactly that means. and here's what he said. >> our hope is to be able to capture them. but we'll have to cooperate with the libyan government. i have confidence that we will stay on this relentlessly
because chris stevens, he's somebody who actually advised me and secretary clinton during the original libyan uprising. he was somebody who libyans recognized as being on the side of the people. and we're going to get help. >> has the action of the libyan government so far and will it going forward tell us very much or tell us significant things about thfledgling government? >> their spirit is willing as clearly as their leadership has said in responding to this tragedy. the real question is one of capacity. in both libya and egypt, you have a reform of their judicial system, their police force under way. and they're being asked to do something dramatically different. the police and egypt years ago were there to prey on the population, to protect the existing regime. now they're being asked to protect the population and civil
society. they'll get there eventually, but obviously these are things that cannot happen overnight. >> and p.j., stay with us if you will. i also want to take time to get to the politics of all this. mitt romney weighed in very, very quickly with the statement. many people said he jumped the gun, he had his facts wrong, the timing was bad. and he said i stand by my statement. gail collins wrote two months to go and we're rethinking our presumption that the republican primary voters picked the most stable option. and here's what conservative peggy noonan said. let's play it. >> i don't feel that mr. romney has been doing himself any favors. sometimes when really bad things happen, when hot things happen, cool words or no words is the way to go. >> this was an election, nick, that was supposed to be about the economy, but could this be an important moment for this campaign? >> i think he certainly hurt himself. at the end of the day,
presidential candidates are sleep deprived, they're say things on the basis of insufficient information. so the first slip was underable. but the next day when it became apparent that he had misstated facts, that he had missed the boat, to double done and reiterate his comment i think was a particular point. at the end of the day, i'm not sure that changes the basis fact that people will be voting on the basis of that are pockets. >> do you booir the argument that at least somewhat subconsciously people look to moments like this to decide whether or not that's the person as we used to say have their finger on the button? do they have the temperament, do they have the good judgment under stress to be a good leader? >> i think to the september that they do, that will work in therd's favor because i agree with nick that this was a completes misstep on the part of romney and it reminds people that this is the weakest republican ticket in terms of foreign policy in quite a long
ti time, reminds people of other mistakes that have been made. romney goes to london and makes a gaffe. sort of makes you wonder is this someone equipped to handle china. so i think to that extent it really does help the president. >> we should say everyone wasn't anti-mitt romney's move. john kyle, jim dement stood by him. here's what senator mccain said on morning joe today. >> in the heat of the battle, you get all kinds of advice and second guessing. the united states in the middle east is weak. we are seen as withdrawing and we are paying a price for that weakness whether it be unraveling in iraq, the tragedy in syria, the tensions with israel and afghan situation unraveling. there is a lack of leadership there. >> and in fact, p.j. he called it the feckless foreign policy. did it happen because of the the
president's weak leadership? >> i don't agree with john mccain at all in his characterization of where we are. in fact having been attacked in the middle east is because we're staying there promoting democratic governance in libya and probably a faction that wants to see a different kind of society and different kind of governance. chris stevens died because he was trying to help create a new libya, not retreating fromm the old. >> and the pictures we're looking at now are live from cairo. nick, what will you be watching for as this unfolds over the next couple of hours and days? >> well, you know, yemen is a little bit of a side show. even libya isn't central to the middle east as the whole egypt is. and it will be crucial to see whether president morsi comes out and really distinguishes himself on this issue or just plays to the crowds.
and i think we're central to this this. i think it's a competition between the radical and muslim brotherhood to wrap themselves in the flag and religion and if that is, that will hurt the egyptian economy, investment and that will hurt our relationship with egypt. >> and what will it mean ultimately for our relationship and frankly for security in that region. >> well, i think it could have negative consequences. i think what's so sad, this happened at a time when there are american businessmen are meeting in cry row talking about investment into the economy. we're on the verge of forgiving a billion dollars of kregyptian debt. >> there are already been calls to stop that money going to both egypt and libya. >> and that would be such a shame because the air arab spri was about economic and opportunities and if we lose that, it would be a terrible thing. >> it's been a great conversation. we just want to remind everyone that we are waiting for the
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back live with breaking news. hillary clinton talking about the situation in the middle east. let's listen. >> the video circulating on the internet that has wled led to t proceed tes in a number of countries. let me state very clearly and i hope it is obvious that the united states government have absolutely nothing to do with
this video. we absolutely reject its content and message. america's commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. and we are home to people of all religions. many of whom came to this country seeking the right to exercise their own religion, including, of course millions muslims. and we have the greatest respect for people of faith. to us, to me personally, this video is disgusting and reprehensible. it appears to have a deeply cynical purpose to denigrate a
great religion and to provoke rage. but as i said yesterday, there is no justification to responding to this video with violence. we condemn the violence that has related in the strongest terms and we greatly appreciate that many muslims in the united states and around the world have spoken out on this issue. violence we believe has no place in rewliligion and is no way to honor religion. islam respects the fundamental dignity of human beings. and it is a violation of that fundamental dignity to wage attacks on innocence. as long as there are those who are willing to shed blood and
take innocent life in the name of religion, the name of god, the world will never know a true and lasting peace. it is especially wrong for violence to be directed against diplomatic missions. these are places whose very purpose is peaceful. all governments have a responsibility to protect those spaces and people because to an attack an embassy is to attack the idea that we can work together to build understanding and a better future. now, i know it is hard for some people to understand why the united states cannot or does not just prevent these kinds of reprehensible videos from ever seeing the light of day.
now, i would note that in today's world with today's technologies, that is impossible. but even if it were possible, our country does have a long tradition of free expression which is enshrined in our constitution and our law. and we do not stop individual citizens from expressing their views no matter how distasteful they may be. there are, of course, different views around the world about the outer limits of free speech and free expression. but there should be about the simple proposition that violence in response to speech is not acceptable. we all, whether we are leaders in government, leaders in civil society, or religious leaders, must draw the line at violence.
and any responsible leader should be standing up now and drawing that line. i wanted to begin with this statement because as our moroccan friends and all of you know, this has been a difficult week at the state department. i very much appreciate, minister, the condolences your government expressed to our embassy. and even though that tragedy happened far away in benghazi, we found a reminder of the deep bonds that connect morocco to the united states. it was in the high -- >> secretary of state clinton with a message to an international audience, deeply deploring both the violence and the video, but making it clear that the united states stands for free speech and that they will not block these kinds of things. it also really points out what
many people have suggested, many analysts have suggested will be and ongoing diplomatic problem for the united states and other governments which is that as good as social media can be in events like the arab spring, it can also mean that it can touch off situations like this, including violence and protests in some of those same arab spring countries. and so the secretary of state commenting again we expect that the president could make remarks, as well, later on today when he is on a campaign stop at 1:30 this afternoon. there is other news. we know the name of one of the americans killed in that u.s. consulate attack in libya. according to our nbc affiliate, glen doherty, a former navy s.e.a.l., is one of those americans killed. he grew up in the town of winchester in massachusetts. of course chris stevens was killed and sean smith, as well.
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pennsylvania supreme court justices are hearing arguments on the state's controversial voter i.t. ld. law. there are at least 14 other election related cases including new voter i.d. laws in wisconsin, colorado, florida, iowa, ohio, south carolina. and a federal court is still considering whether south carolina can implement that new law. ron allen is live for us in philadelphia. tell us about the arguments the justices will be hearing today. >> reporter: this case has to do specifically with a photo requirement in the voter i.d. you law that was passed here in
march. opponents claim there are tens of thousands of voters who can't get that appropriate i.d. in time for the election and they say most of those people are minority, the elderly, students. the requirement is for a driver's license or passport or a student i.d. card that has a specific expiration date. what the opponents say is a very burdensome what yo burdenso burdensome law. democrats including the obama administration maintain that these laws are designed to suppress the vote. supporters insist they are trying to protect voter integrity. although here in pennsylvania, both sides agree that there is no evidence that there's been any in person voter fraud here to speak of. the most likely result here is the supreme court, which is elected, is likely to split 3-3 and the law likely to stand on the books, so the controversy will no doubt continue across the country. >> and to talk more about the
impact across the country, let me bring in director of the voter protection program at the he advancement project. we're really in a volatile situation in places like pennsylvania where we're waiting to see what's going to happen. nationwide, to you have a good number for how many voters could be affected? >> nationwide, our conservative estimate is about 10 million voters. in pennsylvania, a million voters. and this really is not good enough for america. the reason we're working so hard to fight against these restrictions on voting rights is because these are the most fundamental values of our country. it's what makes america great. so in pennsylvania, the voting rights of over a million voters are at stake and make no mistake, it's for no good reason. there are zero instances of in-person voter fraud and it's discriminatory against black,
latino, he will elderly, studen people who don't have access to the very strict type of photo i.d. that's needed. >> let's talk about the numbers. 11% of americans don't have a government issued photo i.d., that includes 9% of all whites, 25% of blacks, 16% of latinos. so what do these photo i.d. laws mean for people who want to vote on november 6th? what happens when they show up at the polling place? >> many could be turned away. again, it's against our fundamental values. we certainly hope everybody votes and does everything they can to vote, but we're fighting very hard about court because we do believe that america deserves better and that our court should protect our most precious right. especially when there's no good reason for to be limited. so what we're hoping is that the pennsylvania supreme court rules in our favor and across the country, we hope to win these legal battles and also tell everyone to please go and vote
and fight back against these restrictive laws. they go against the foundation of our democracy. >> well, we'll be watching the pennsylvania and other cases very carefully. kathy, thank you very much. and if you read only one thing this morning, now, we all know we should get more exercise, but what if you could buy a bicycle for $9? it's made out of recycled cardboard, but would you buy one even with a retail markup? how much would you pay for it? it's our must read and you can find it on facebook/jansing democratic co. energy bill down to size?
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decide this election? let me bring in former senior adviser to rick santorum's campaign and south carolina democratic party chairman. gentlemen, good to see you. and let me play sound from both the president and mitt romney's running mate, paul ryan, from the campaign trail yesterday. let's look. >> i want to assure you we will bring their killers to justice. and we want to send the message all around the world to anybody who would do us harm, no acts of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the united states of america. >> the administration sent mixed signals on those who attacked our embassy in egypt and mixed signals to the world. this administration's policies project weakness abroad. >> john, give me your analysis. how will this play with
independent voters? >> well, i think, first of all, you are correct in the assumption that foreign policy is all of a sudden going to come front and center. it's not unusual that when you get to the fall campaign what thought it was going to be about is not what it does become about. and foreign policy is one of those things people want to feel safe, so it always does rise to the top. so i do think this will be a key issue. i think that both candidates have to be careful. i think mitt romney certainly has a lot of fodder to question the foreign policy results and experience of the president and some of the problems we have today, but i think he also has to be careful that he doesn't politicize this existing event during the crisis itself. >> does it sound like he has? jumping on it so quickly and then doubling down. >> i think he would be better served to look it at the big picture of the whole foreign policy. there will be plenty of time to answer many of the unanswered questions. why did the president take such a weak approach to this, why were there some procedures that looked like they weren't followed. all of those can happen.
i think he's better served if he talks about some of the big issues. for example the ticking time bomb in iran that's going on right now which the prime minister of israel suggested yesterday. >> how much do you think, dick, that this will matter to voters in an election again that we said would turn on the economy? >> well, i think it is front and center now, i would agree that it is an extraordinarily important issue, but it passes from a team that in their convention the word afghanistan never passed their lips. so it's hard to understand why during their convention they never talked about a foreign policy in very specific terms you can yet the first sign of a problem, they attempt to politicize it. and i don't think it's too strong to say when a candidate for president of the united states is criticizing this president in the middle of this kind of event, some folks
overseas that are not friendly to us may take a comfort in that. they may say, well, we ought to do more of this to try to fan the political thing. so i would think mitt romney ought to tone it down, he and paul ryan, and let this president deal with this crisis. and this ought to be off-limits for a while. i do think foreign policy is important. i think iran whether or not we're going to put troops on the ground like mitt romney wanted to do in libya, that ought to be debated. but i believe the american people believe that cautious approach this president is making, not getting us involved in cries cease like iraq, i think that would be the debate. >> i want to show people what's going on in the streets of cairo. we see smoke from tear gas canisters clearing. but this has been going on throughout the day. it's about 4:38 in the afternoon there now. one of the things that occurs to me as we've been watching this
unfold over the last 24 hours is that as much as you want to control your campaign and for a long time mitt romney seemed to be controlling the campaign, they never exist in a vacuum. and whether or not you agree or disagree about what the candidates say, i wonder if as important decisions are made by voters about how they ham things, do they look presidential, are they measured, what do you think about these kinds of situations that, frankly, you can't really prepare for? >> well, i do think voters will say i'm looking for leadership qualities, how you handle yourself in a crisis and so forth. but i think there's a bigger point here. and that is issues that probably weren't talked about enough i believe will now. i mentioned iran which certainly is a huge problem. or even the president sharing with the russians that he plans
to be more flexible with them on missile defense after the election. you know, i found remarkably shocking. it's probably the worst negotiating technique in the world to tell somebody that you plan to be on their side when this hinthing is over. so i do think issues that haven't been discussed enough will now become front and center in this presidential race. >> we've talked about how important the debates will be and both campaigns have said the first may be the most important out of this election. but i'm wondering if now the fourth debate, foreign affairs, which for some people would not be at the top of their tv viewing list suddenly might become a lot more important. >> i'm convinced that foreign policy will play a significant role depending on how things roll out you just indicated that they're having problems in egypt. this is a very volatile part of the world where people get emotional about issues. in this country, frankly, people get emotional, but it doesn't
turn violent. i think that the people of this country understand this president during his steward ship over the last three years and joed bien said it best, gm is alive and general motors is alive and bin laden is dead. he's been aggressive in the war on terror. al qaeda is in disarray. this methodical patient responsible way to deal with terrorism as opposed to mitt romney flash bang approach to foreign policy, he better get some tutorials done between now and that debate because he certainly the only foreign policies he's ever had to debate is with new hampshire when he was governor of massachusetts. >> gentlemen, it's good to see both of you. and speaking of the economy, up to 200 million brand new iphone 5s could be sold by the end of next year. cnbc's mandy drury is here with what's moving your money. i think by now we wouldn't be
surprised by these things, but that's a huge number. >> and as many as 0 million u40 units could be sold by the end of this year and countless ad t adapters will be sold. so apple has had to create an adapter so you can still use the various accessories from your old iphone. as for the other features, the iphone 5, it's lighter, thinner, taller, and also got 4g lte which gives you faster data speed and a brand new mapping program. by the way, apple has sold more than 244 million iphones since its debut back if 2007 and they just keep on rolling them out. >> mandy drury, thank you very much. >> thank you. and also making news this morning, we want to give you a live picture at neil armstrong's memorial service at the national cathedral in washington.
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actually agree on something today. the house is scheduled to vote on a continuing resolution setting government spending for the first six months of fiscal year 2013. let me bring in james clyburn of south carolina. always great to have you on the program. good morning, congressman. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> we should point out this is not a long term bill to fund the entire fiscal year, just the first six months. >> right. >> if the average voter says why do you keep having to do this over and over, doesn't it just push the debate back six more months, what do you say? >> i would say to them that i think everybody knows that we are about to have an election. a national election. and i don't think that anybody knows exactly what's going to happen on november 6. and we all know that there are competing visions for the future of our country. and what happens in a lame duck
will pretty of depend upon who wins on november 6th. so i think that it is to be expected that no side is going to allow the other side to get too far down the road before we're able to put these visions into place. so president obama has a vision that i support and i know that governor romney has a vision that's a little bit contrary to what we think it ought to be. so we'll kick it down the road, it will be for the last three months of this year, the first three months of next year. and hopefully come to some conclusions after the elections. >> well, speaking of contrary views, i want to read to you what your colleague, republican colleague from florida, alan west, said about this continuing
resolution. quote, if we had willing partners, then we would not have to have continuing resolutions. if you had people that were producing budgets, if you had people doing appropriations bill, you would not be in this position. someone has to be the adult afternoon here, that's what it comes down to. i think he's saying grow up, democrats. what's your reaction? >> well, i would just simply say consider the source. and i think most people who watch the news will understand what i mean by that. >> and let me ask you quickly about something else going on. we've been talking today about a big supreme court case in pennsylvania about voter i.d.s. there's also one being contested in your state. tell us what you think the impact will be, how important is that ruling? >> it will be very, very important. i know that the division of the state supreme court in
pennsylvania causes some consternations on some people. i think it's a 3-3 division when it comes to the political affiliations of the members. but i do believe that things like voting get beyond that. we would not have gotten a 1965 voting rights act if it had not been for people like j. everett dickson who was a big republican working with lyndon johnson. and i think when it comes to fundament fundamental, voting is fundamental. and the i would hope that the pennsylvania supreme court will issue a unanimous 6-0 decision throwing these onerous provisions out and so that people can vote irrespective of
their age and whether or not they have a driver's license. so there are a lot of things that i'm hopeful for. we'll just have to wait and see. >> congressman james clyburn, always a pleasure to see you. thank you. >> thank you so much for having me. [ female announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day women's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for women's health concerns as we age. it has more of 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day 50+.
to politics now and vice president joe biden got the name of the school wrong where he was campaigning yesterday. >> you keep your kid in a college, whether a community college or a wayne state university or any college in america. wright state. but wayne -- it also includes wayne state. >> and the republican candidate for haven't, paul ryan, is running new ads on wisconsin. >> this is our chance to restore real faith and real opportunity in america.
>> and speaking of that, national democrats will spend $320,000 to try to elect a democratic senator in connecticut. health and human services secretary kathleen a besebelius in trouble for mixing politics in to her job. she plugged president obama during a speech in north carolina. she reclassified her trip as political and paid back the government for her travel. in a will wrap up this hour of jansing and company. thomas roberts is up next. good morning, everybody. the agenda next hour, breaking news as the white house confirms the identity of another american killed in the 9/11 attack on our libyan kons laconsulate. hillary clinton condemning the violence. yemen considered a hot bed of terrorist at different. al activity. and pennsylvania's top court
takes up its voter i.d. law. is there a concerted effort to keep minorities away from the polls? i'll ask john lewis. and then changing attitudes towards homophobia and pro sports. lots of sunshine across the northeast. get down towards atlanta, a few more clouds, really florida the best chance in the east coast to get showers this afternoon. detroit, chicago also getting in on some of that activity. dallas, as well. quiet from seattle down to phoenix. welcome aboard!
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i'm thomas roberts. breaking news tops the agenda. turmoil spreading in the middle east. just last hour, new video just in, fresh protesting in yemen. moments ago, hillary clinton came out denouncing the video that touched off a lot of outrage. >> let me state very clearly, and i hope it is obvious, that the united states government had absolutely nothing to do with this video. we absolutely reject its content and message. >> the attacks on diplomatic